Welcome to the call. Thank you. Uh, now what brought you in to talk about leadership today now? But before we do that, I want to talk a little bit about your background. So how did, how did you get into to, um, teaching leadership? When I was 20 years in corporate and in 2012, my younger brother said he passed away and it was such a shock for me that it brought me to this crossroads.
And I started to question so many things and the thing I questioned was am I really living my best life? And you know, he was here one minute and gone the next, if I died tomorrow, would I be happy? And what I came to. Understand about myself was I was successful as hi everyone terms that is subjective, but I was, it was like unfulfilling success.
I had successful in certain terms, but I felt unfulfilled and I just got this intuitive impulse one day to join something called the John Maxwell team. So John Maxwell, for those who don’t know who he is, he’s the world’s number one leadership. Author speaker and coach, and he’s written over a hundred books.
Um, and he’s also this book, the 21 irrefutable laws of leadership is the best selling leadership book in the world. And this was put into my hands back in 1998, and I’ve read several of his books over the years. So in 2012, after my brother passed away, I just really wanted to do something purposeful. So I joined the John Maxwell team, went over to Orlando, spent a week with John and got certified as a coach, speaker and trainer every year, since then, I’ve gone over for a week and done the same thing.
So what I was about to say to you was, you know, when you really have value added to you, you just want to share it with other people. So that happened to me. I came back from Orlando. I had so much training. We were on calls all the time and all this value added to me. I just wanted to share it. So one day.
I just put out something called a lunch and learn in my corporate job in the boardroom. I just said, anyone wants to come during lunchtime, bring your lunch. And I’m just going to do a free leadership presentation. And I don’t know if anyone was going to turn up and actually the room got quite a few people in.
And when I delivered that talk on leadership was the first time I shared some stuff that I’ve learned. Anyway, I got back to my desk and the girl sitting next to me said, Janine, How did you enjoy giving that leadership talk? I said, you know what, Karen, I loved it. I loved it with a patient. And as I said, the word passion in my head being.
The voice of my mentor reminded me cause I was lost and I did not. My life purpose was, and my mentor said, um, like a year before, I was trying to understand that he said in your passion lies your God given purpose. So the minute I caught myself saying, Oh, I loved it. I loved the passion. I thought, is it possible that this could be my life purpose?
Anyway, limiting beliefs started in and. I filled it on our, how can I do that? I’ve got 20 years of experience in corporate, in it in retail and research and the different side. Who’s going to pay me to speak or coach or train. Anyway, the feeding never lift me and. I just worked on myself. And in 2015, I stepped out of corporate and I’ve been running my own business, um, more successfully to be honest than I’ve ever done.
And our lift is director of a multi-national when I left corporate in 2015. So really, and truly if you step into your passion and you really love what you do, I believe, um, you’ll you’ll do well. So. I, this is what I do today. I, um, these are, I got 20 John Maxwell books. Then my bookshelf, I help people through either one-on-one coaching or.
Leadership masterminds and masterminds are the best thing ever because you dig into a book. When not everyone can read, it’s not about reading the book, but it’s getting together as a group and sharing a little bit, like let’s say a chapter or two every week over maybe eight to 12 weeks. And in a process like that, people actually do change.
So there’s more value. I don’t really believe much in today. Leadership workshops, people get back to their desk and 98% of the behavior stays the same. Yeah. So with that, sorry, I’m just going to put this on, got a truck designs to pull up at the front of my house right now. There you go. So with, with latest, I mean, I’ve, I’ve been around for a while.
Bouncing around business coaches, bouncing around seminars and, and leadership gets thrown around a lot, um, as a, as a buzzword, but what does it, what does it actually mean? Like if, if, if business owners want to step up and improve their leadership, What does it actually mean to do that? Well, that’s really a good question.
I think leadership is sometimes mixed up with the word management and people think when they have a title or a certain role, that they’re now a leader and that’s the furthest thing from the truth. That may be what you perceive yourself to be initially, because you’ve got the role in the title, but as months roll on.
Leadership is about having followers. So it’s a bad influence. So leadership is John Maxwell, even in his words. One of the laws of leadership is influence. Leadership is influence nothing more, nothing less. And the way we gain influence is by adding value to people. It’s not a form of manipulation or pairing up other people, um, being autocratic in any way.
That’s absolutely not what it is. And when we add value to people, that’s true. Leadership because the heart of a leader is serving the people. So when you say, what is leadership about? It’s about people. It’s a bad people is for people it’s getting work and results through people. And, you know, back in the eighties, there was so much emphasis on management.
And Peter Drucker was like quite a big and many other people there. And leadership became more of a buzzword in after the year 2000, I would say. And I think there needed to be a mind shift change because people would distance sometimes from the people. And, you know, I thought it was important that people didn’t really get to know you, but that’s the opposite you need to, you need to touch someone’s heart.
If we can ask them for a hand, that’s basically what leadership is and what, what would be the key? What. What’s the difference? The key difference between management. And leadership. Well, management is a, it’s a title that you have. It’s about managing things, controlling things, measuring things, maintaining the status quo, checklists, um, systems processes.
Leadership is about inspiration, direction, vision costing, influence, adding value to people. Very different. Okay. No worries. And at what point do you shift or. Or do you have to balance both roles? Like what, when do you go, okay, I’m a manager or I’m a leader, or am I both at the same time? Is that well, a person?
Let me tell you honestly, Colin, everybody’s a leader. You’re a leader, I’m a leader. The mother was three kids is a leader, a man working for himself in his own businesses. And entrepreneur is a leader because if leadership is influenced every engagement we have with another human being. It’s an opportunity to influence them so you can know yourself if you’ve ever been in a boardroom and the boss is there.
But no one’s really paying much attention or wanting to get work with them or buying into whatever the boss is saying. And then someone else in the room speaks, he’s not the boss and all heads turn, and people thought following you get that, you’ve seen that everyone’s seen it in their life. You’ll go to a dinner party and someone’s leading.
You’ll go to what kids on a playground. And one kid is leading. So leadership is about influence. So it doesn’t matter, you’re talking a little position, you can make a massive difference and add value to people anyway. And it really does come from adding value. If anyone is wondering, like, how do I experience this?
I just say, start today by thinking with intention, who could I actually advantage you today? Just get out of step out of your comfort zone and do that. And I think people need to look at the own conditions and circumstances as an opportunity to develop the leadership abilities that people think I need to go on a course or, you know, get trained.
Yes, that does count. And that’s fantastic. But your own situation where you are any area of your life, whether it’s your personal life at home with your family or with your parents, some people have got fictional relationships there. What work things on working so well, or you keep bumping heads or you’re feeling stuck, or you’re struggling with problems.
All these areas of our life are honestly opportunities for us to develop a leadership ability. And it’s it’s it’s book like this. Well, I would say that this is John Maxwell’s latest book is called developing the leader within you 2.0, this is the book. I actually start all masterminds with. It used to be the 21 roles.
Of leadership are referred to them to add, but this book is really fantastic. And if I can just tell you just, there’s only 10 words, just the 10 words of what the chapters are and can get a handle on it. The one is the definition of leadership, which is influence the next one is the key to leadership, which is priorities.
So you think about people who are struggling with this organization, if they learned how to prioritize and what that really means, something like the 80, 20 principle, the Pareto principle, get your part, get your, to do list, prioritize and start with the top 20%, most important urgent things. You’ll be effective.
Sometimes you’re busy the whole day, but we ineffective because activity is not accomplished. Yeah. Well, what, what sort of results have you saying from helping people? Um, Become better leaders, but do you see, so I’ve got this beautiful story that I left to shape when I was back in corporate and I became John Maxwell, 35 hours.
Doing masterminds for free wherever I could after hours. And there was a group of 10 of us where I was working before. And we came to the one chapter, the 21 laws of leadership, which is about the law of addition. People are either adders or subtract as you never in the middle, either intentionally adding value or you automatically not ignorant, but unaware.
And then you are by default a subtractor. And if you look at life that way, it sounds a bit harsh, but it really is the truth. So this one, gentlemen, Was from China. And we were talking about adding value and sharing your knowledge with others and helping them. And he said, you know, in my culture, in my country, knowing more than others is our competitive advantage and we don’t share our trade secrets.
We don’t share if I have been a knowledge with my system and I’m getting more clients and more success that helps me compete and get to get further. So we challenged this young guy and I said, you know, Just give it a go Jack, just two weeks. Cause he was one of the best analysts we had in, in our research company.
And I said, just share what you know, with the colleagues around you, whether they’re in your team or not. If someone is stuck with people already stuck help them. So he was reluctant, but he promised to give it a go. After two weeks, he came back into the mastermind and he said, He’s never felt such a sense of significance, not success of significance of really having meaning at work and having purpose.
And he said, This has changed him. And he got so much value out of adding value to others. He just continued with it that year. He won executive of the year award, which I must tell you, no one under 25 has probably ever got in the company’s history. So he got the executive of the year award as young as he was.
They read out at his award ceremony. And later from his client, how Jack had just changed and was adding value with the word that came actually to everybody around this. So that for me was one of the best stories. Yeah. That’s beautiful. Yep. And then leadership is also so many, so much more colony it’s about character.
It’s about, you know, developing your character daily because we can being person with more integrity, keeping our word, keeping our commitments. And then in this book, it refers to, if you want to test your leadership, see if you can implement positive change, because it’s easy to maintain a department or area that’s going well.
But when you said things are not in a good place, if you can come in and create positive change, then you really do have leadership ability. And a good place is also in volunteer, like voluntary organizations where no one’s paid to do what they do. If you can get in there. Maybe take a role. I don’t know.
It could be anything, any voluntary thing, um, a charity or something, and seeing what influence you, you can have. Another one is problem solving abilities. Another one is attitude. Attitude is a massive component of leadership because it’s contagious. You mentioned if you had, let’s say titles and roles, a boss who came in the morning and was grumpy and always complaining and was always, you know, what kind of inspiration would that leave the team with?
You, you come in grumpy some days and feeling down and you want the boss to change that and like inspire you. So attitude is contagious. It’s really important. And especially when things go wrong, that is the point we lead stand out when things go wrong, they not running around with their hair on fire.
They are calming people down. They are reassuring people. They are putting a plan to execute and work their way out of this, into place that comforting people that we wrote, we going to be okay, and we’re going to solve it. That’s what a leader needs to do. If they are frantic and going on. That’s not it.
So on in the chapter on attitude is a, is a whole section on failure, failing fall and making mistakes. Failure is the biggest opportunity to become more successful. And people sometimes get diminished by failing. They feel terrible and they want to hide under a rock, but really, if we can change our perception, then we can say what went wrong?
How did it go wrong? Who’s responsible for going wrong. What can I learn from this? And what can I change that in future I can improve if you really reflected like that and did that. You’d become so much more successful. You could improve your success. Even if you improve by 1% a week at the end of the year, be 50% better than you were.
I mean, that’s massive a shift like that. The other one is there’s a chapter on serving people to really talk about the heart of leadership is honestly servant hood. You know, people used to, when I was younger in my twenties, I remember bosses in the ivory towers. They would never come down and greet you.
You know, if you wanted to even engage with them, you had to go to them and try to get in there and say, hello, that’s not leadership. Leadership is the lead of getting out of Che, walking around, greeting everybody, asking them, are you okay? Is there anything you need? You know, do you have everything you need to do the job you need to do as best you can.
Where are you struggling? How can I help you? Do they need more training? Anything it’s about helping others succeed? That’s the role actually. Of a leader and envision costing vision is massive. I’ve dealt with some organizations. We are asked the people certain questions, and I find that they all have a different idea of where the company’s going.
And that’s a really scary thing. I asked them. What is your purpose in your role, in the bigger picture of the whole company’s purpose? They can’t answer that question either. So there’s. A lot of responsibility on need is making sure that people know where they’re going, what direction we’re going in and how your role fits into the greater picture.
The other one is self-discipline. If a leader can’t develop their own self-discipline, they are going to struggle. It’s as simple as that, um, it’s a fundamental component and you’re the one who needs to demonstrate it the most. Um, and then of course, continuously growing. So John Maxwell talks about something called destination disease.
I don’t know if you know people like this, but I have met some, they are directors or, you know what, I’ve reached some level of success and they don’t think they need to learn anymore. They want to get companies into help the middle management and. You know, other levels develop the leadership ability when you talk to them about, do you know, do you want to do some of this too or before them?
And they’re no, no, no. You know, I’m fine. I’m CEO or, but that’s a great blind spot because leadership is an ongoing life, long personal development journey. And even John Maxwell, Maxwell’s, there’s never a hundred books. He’s the world’s number one. He says, I have so much to learn about leadership and you know, it’s true.
It’s about yourself becoming a better person every day. So when can you say that you’ve arrived? I don’t think anyone could be that arrogant me to be humble. So another attribute of leadership is humility is being humble, giving the credit to others, not stealing the credit from others being secure in.
In delegation being secure in empowering other people, because if you’re insecure, you never going to empower people. If you never going to empower people, you never really going to grow in your leadership. And just the most important thing I say, colon is how well you lead. Determines how successful you are.
So if my leadership lid was a five out of 10 and I had resolved coming up four or five, I’m going to get stuck at five and my sex. Stacy’s never going to rise higher than my leadership ability. It’s called John Maxwell calls it your leadership lid. So when people wonder why they should develop themselves as leaders, it’s because if you want to get results at an eight, nine at a 10.
Then you must raise the leadership ability to eight or nine out of 10. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely say like I live in Canberra, so I see a lot of, a lot of public servants who hit their leadership lead, uh, and get stuck in a role and can’t figure out how to, how to move forward. Uh, so I can see that the real benefit there.
And I have to be honest this morning, cause we’re, we’re interviewing earlier than usual in the morning. And last night I was working. Diligently light at night, working on a marketing campaign for an upcoming event. So I was a bit low on energy coming into this, but after hearing you speak, it’s really lifted me up.
I’m feeling, I’m feeling the energy, I’m feeling the empowered to find that, that leadership and go into that in that direction. Well, if I was the camera with you in your vicinity, I’ll just say, can I help you call? And you need any help with whatever you got to work on today. And I really would, from my heart, I would say, can I help you just to make your, whatever you got to work on?
It’s this big job better done? Well, I, I just, yeah, I think it’s been a really valuable conversation because like I said earlier that people throw around leadership a lot. Uh, and they, they, they just bandy the word around a bit, so it becomes less impactful. But after talking to you, I can see the enormous benefit that comes with.
Understanding leadership and implementing it in the, in the workplace. And you know, that coming from a genuine place of, of wanting to serve your customers and your people who work for you better. Um, but are there any other, any myths around, cause I mean, just talking about people burning it around, are there any misconceptions around leadership?
Yes. I think the management misses definitely the first one people think, cause I’ve got the title. They are now a leader. You mentioned a sales person being promoted now to sales manager. And now they just think that they, they were the best sales manager. Once they, in that role, they’ve got the title, but they actually not a leader unless they’ve developed a leadership ability.
And this is the biggest problem. In many organizations, they promote the best at let’s call them technician. They promote the best technician into the role of running the team. And then what happens is two things go wrong. You lose your best sales person or your base technician or your best accountant.
And then you gain a bad leader. And the whole team becomes unhappy because if a leader is not a good leader, everybody struggles. And just by the way, that leadership let us talking about, I’ll tell you something even more interesting. If a leaders, leadership ladies, let’s just have five out of 10 and they go and recruit the best in the industry.
Nine out of 10. 10 out of 10 of the best quality people, um, the best experience and skills into this team, they results cannot go higher than the leadership lid of the leader level. So nine out of 10 can perform more than a five if they’re under a leader with a 510 lid. So it’s really imperative that companies develop leadership at all levels.
That’s a myth is management. The pioneer with is another one thinking that whoever’s our friends and going for things first, whatever is generally the leader, but a different skill entrepreneurial methods. And other one way people think because someone saw it, getting the market, went out there and found an opportunity in that gap.
They’re automatically a leader, but it’s not, it’s a very different skillset because leadership’s about people. Um, the position with is the worst. And which is the same similar as management, you know, give me the title, give me the position and people will listen to me. How many times have you heard that people aren’t listening to me, I’m trying to, you know, create positive change.
No, one’s listening. Just give me the, give me the title in there. Promote the person and you know what, nothing really changes. And if people do listen, they do it, um, almost. Feeding they have to because the person’s their boss and they determine the increases and the bonuses and the promotions. But the minute the leader goes on, leave for two weeks or they something they have to do often hours or something is required to go the extra mile.
You might have to work on the weekend. There’s people will be shutting their laptops and again, to the path they’re gone, they will not be there. When you’ve got a real leader, people will walk other red hot calls for you. They will stay late. They will work on a Saturday and Sunday and you know what, you’ll probably reward them and give them time off if you’re a good leader to compensate for that.
But the point is people will walk to the ends of the earth for a good leader and people don’t leave companies when they’re unhappy, they leave leaders, they leave their bosses and it’s generally something to do with. Most often be looking, people humiliating them. Um, you know, not trusting them. That’s a big deal trust, by the way.
I never said this before, but trust is the foundation of leadership. It is so important. And every decision we make as people, whether you in any toddler role, because everyone’s a leader, every decision we make when it comes to other people, we are either improving our trust. School or bank balance, or we are withdrawing from that bank balance.
And if you want to make change in an organization, you better have a lot of trust. And if you lose trust with people, you can’t implement change. So those are most of the main myths I’d say is positions, titles being an entrepreneur, being a pioneer. Okay. Now, now, is there anywhere else because we’re, this, this keeps happening.
I keep getting these amazing people on this conversation on these chats, and I just want to keep going for hours, but I’ve got to wrap it up. So where can people go if they want to find out more information about leadership, about leadership, or about working with yourself, working with myself, please.
Just Google. My name is Janine Shakka international. That’s my website. Uh, Yep. So I would say, just go to Janine check at international. I’m also on Facebook and I’m also on Instagram. You’ll find me there. And just for everyone listening, I do want to give, and I’m very generous and. Uh, intentional about it.
So definitely twice a month, I’m available to give a free one hour leadership training to any organization, just come in during lunchtime, like a lunch and learn, inspire the team, have fun. I talk about three things. What is leadership? Why should I develop my leadership ability? And then if the answer is okay, I think I should.
Well, then how. So what it is, why I should and how to actually do it. Just a few talks about 45 minutes, take a bit of interaction and engagement with the audience, have some fun. So anyone out there would like that to inspire their team. It’s great to have a guest speaker come in and just edit bit of, you know, inject a bit of enthusiasm into the workplace.
So that’s another option. Fantastic. Well, look, if, if you’re watching this on YouTube, check the comments. If you’re listening to this on the podcast, check the show notes. I’ll put links down there so you can get in touch with Janine, Janine. Thanks very much for your time. It’s been fantastic. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Colin.